"... I found out later yeah as soon as daylight came they sent the helicopters and this UFO just went right through the helicopters and out, between the helicopters and out."
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| ... today's amazing American Alchemist is Robert Hastings the man who has dedicated his life to documenting this unquestionable connection. ... his nearly 600 page book UFOs in nukes is literally the world's best database on this phenomena. |
By Jesse Michels
American Alchemy Jan. 2025 |
Robert Hastings: A flag was being put in their folders citing them as a security risk, so that if they sought employment with like an aerospace company or something the Air Force would have designated them to be security risks.
Robert Hastings: [Hastings describing the threats to eyewitness and former Lieutenant Bob Jacobs] He gets a phone call one night he and his wife come home from a movie the phone rings the voice says "your mailbox a'light what a beautiful sight you're going down motherfucker!
Jesse Michels: Hasting, has risked his life in telling stories like these do you feel like your Communications are being tracked ...
Robert Hastings: No question.
Jesse Michels: [Laughs] Do you have any clear concrete examples that will show people that you're not being paranoid?
Robert Hastings: I went out on the lecture circuit for the first time in September of 81 and spoke at I believe 16 schools between September and the end of the year ... okay and in my audiences at various schools around the country veterans would come up to me and say I know what you're talking about I was involved this that and the other. I would say can wetalk about this on the phone when I get off the lecture circuit you know I'll be home early next year 82 and some said yes some said no, but I did interview a handful of veterans uh from home over the phone and tape the conversations with their permission, uh in most cases in some cases they didn't want them taped, but anyway they were telling me about what they had witnessed at various missile bases through the through the years and um after each one of those calls this was primarily in February of 82 I would talk to them, thank them, hang up the phone within a minute or five or 10 the phone would ring I would pick it up and there would be nothing but heavy breathing in the phone
Jesse Michels: That's creepy
Ammar Kandi: Feels like in the past five to seven years there's been a like a lot of vindication for your work and and and for you know people who are active in service to be confirming the things that you were you know telling the public in you know late '90s and early 2000s how does that feel to now see it you know to see Lue on Joe Rogan showing, showing Joe like the Montana documents um I don't recall whether we discussed this yesterday but um in uh the the the New York Times article that came out in
Robert Hastings: Um, I don't recall whether we discussed this yesterday but um, in uh, the, the the New York Times article that came out in December of 2017, uh, Leslie Kean Ralph Blumenthal hat basically exposed ATIP to the world um, in the article they mentioned that atip Scientific Advisor was Dr. Hal Puthoff, and I was shocked because in 2005 uh, I reached out to him to help me write a chapter in my book on faster than light travel I knew that he had done a peer-reviewed paper on it, so um, and then in '08 when the first edition of UFOs and nukes came out he suddenly wrote to me and said I need four copies of the book shipped overnight and I checked into it it was going to be $115.00 and I got back to him and said said you know what's the rush that's a lot of money just let me send it Media Mail and he said Robert, uh, day after tomorrow I have a meeting with some movers and shakers in Washington and I'm going to distribute your book, and what I didn't know until this was this was December of '08, what I didn't know until January of 18, uh, once the New York Times story came out, uh, Hal had given copies of my book to the ATIP members at least Lou and it turns out, uh, Senator Harry Reid was given a copy now just last December of 23 George knapp interviewed me for a Netflix documentary that's coming up and before we he started asking me questions he said are you aware that Harry Reid had read your book and it was one of the reasons he had sought funding for AAWSAP, and I said,, you know, really? And he said he told me that point blank, and, um, you know there were a number of reasons that he felt that there had to be a new UFO investigation, but apparently the witness testimony contained in my book was one of the reasons that he decided that had to be done, uh, sooner rather than later. So that feels good to know it feels good to know ...
Jesse Michels: That should be vindicating
Robert Hastings: You know I mean I'm 74 years old and it just seemed like decades have gone by where not much progress has been made in terms of public awareness, I mean I've spoken at over 500 colleges and universities so those people were in on my work, the local media who covered the program were in on my work, but the national media for decades avoided me like the plague, they, you know, I'd send press releases out no one covered me at all, uh, so finally in just the last five years I'm getting the sense that hey you know it wasn't it was it was worth all the time and effort that I put into it so, yeah, it feels good.
Jesse Michels: And, and, it's, it's interesting we're going to get into some of the deeper roots as to how you got attracted to all the UFOs stuff but you know the nominal story in UFOs and Nukes at least is that you're were a janitor and your father was stationed at Malmstrom base in '67 and you were learning about Radar Theory and you know radar operator calls you over you see these unknowns ...
Robert Hastings: Right.
Jesse Michels: ... I think in many ways Hal Puthoff has a similar story where he sort of stumbled upon the UFO stuff. He ran the CIA's psychic spy program and I think a lot of these remote viewers would see beings you know in various places on you know the Dark Side of the Moon in Ingo Swann's case you know elsewhere, and Joseph McMoneagle saw bases on earth.
Robert Hastings: Right.
Jesse Michels: ... and I think that got him up to speed on okay maybe there's some other presences out here. He then joins, this is the part of the story people don't really know, he then joined something called the Advanced Theoretical Physics group, ATP group, and it was him and Oke Shannon who was, uh, you know, a physics lead at Los Alamos Project Lead there, um, John Alexander who has a long history in this and I think is sort of maybe tied in with the DOE or something, and they're all sort of studying and I think Eric Davis probably joined later, and they're all studying you know the physics of UFOs, like how would this stuff actually work theoretically and I think Puthoff figured out a lot, and I think he's much deeper than people realize on the actual science of this stuff.
Robert Hastings: Somewhere, well I saw a video and I think it was McMoneagle ...
Jesse Michels: Yes
Robert Hastings: ... um was called to the Pentagon one day and was told to go to this room and he goes in he said it was like a broom closet but it had a table in it so he sat down and if I remember the story correctly someone came in and said we want you to use remote viewing for this site and the story is that he basically saw a UFO hovering over a nuclear missile, which I thought was pretty interesting so ...
Jesse Michels: Joseph McMoneagle for people that don't know, has done more televised remote viewings than anybody in the world. He was known as, uh, uh, remote viewer number one.
Robert Hastings: Wow.
Jesse Michels: And he was, you know, the most talented and most consistent psychic spy for the Stargate program. Also talk about this stuff running in families he happens to be the nephew of Robert Monroe, who is doing all sorts of consciousness studies they, you know, still has in his namesake the Monroe Center in Virginia ... named after him and and, uh, McMoneagle lives in Faber Virginia right, right around there. And I remember being on the phone with Joseph mcmonagle once, and, he was saying you know, yeah it's crazy you know that the ET stuff is definitely real he was giving me all this interesting evidence and talking about the remote viewing stuff and then he said something that I will never forget, uh, he said that ... I think we might be turning into these ET's or something. They might be sort of prompting us to turn into some of them.
[Clip of Michael Masters on a previous interview with Jesse Michels]: "I can't help but wonder if we're on the precipice of massive revolution in human consciousness. Where we either evolve there together or we bifurcate, and still evolved there, but in a very different way."
Robert Hastings: [Clip from Hasting's UFO and Nukes Conference at the National Press Club]: "We will have our minds expanded there will be a paradigm shift. Traditional institutions such as religions, governments, other social institutions may indeed by threaten, be threatened by what is coming. That is just a logical consequence of what is about to occur."
Jesse Michels: I want to thank the legendary Robert Hastings for his multi-decade long, tireless, dedication to telling the stories of these Brave Patriots who just want a broader surface on an ontological truth that is global, ubiquitous and should not be classified. But Hastings exists in a tradition of other researchers who have called out the UFO nuclear connection before him some of whom will not see the vindication that Hastings will see in his lifetime.
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